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Semena sem dobila lani iz Kanade. Če bi jih kdo rad gojil, naj mi pošlje zs. Sorte je potrebno gojiti označene, fotkat (da jih vidimo :wink: ), shranit seme in ga ponudit ostalim. Najraje bi poslala cele sklope skupaj, da bo boljša primerjava.

Semena so od Val in Dana, ki se igrata s križanjem: http://grungysgarden.blogspot.com/

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_i97KmQHvQT__LVDN2wRGw&hl=en

A.) BW x NAR f3 Brandywine x

BW X NAR F2 SEED All of these had good flavour, but I can't fairly rate them as all but one were shelf ripened, rather than ripened on the vine. DTM would be a guess at best, as they were started late, and the weather had everything ripening very late. Estimate mid to late season. Amounts for all are limited
BW X NAR F3 1 IND TO 1 lb RED OBLATE RL Deep navel. No catfacing, but almost lobed in its place. "Wagonwheel" or "Pinwheel" locules.
IND 1 lb+ DEEP RED BLOCKY OBLATE RL Deep navel. No catfacing. Radial locules. Best beefsteak interior. Good slightly acidic tomatoey taste fully ripe. Acidity increases as ripeness decreases. Very juicy.
BW X NAR F3 3 IND TO 1 lb RED OBLATE RL Navel not quite as deep. Very meaty, moderate core, but all edible when ripe. Locules mostly around the core.Good juicer. Good tomatoey flavour. Slightly acidic gel, sweet flesh
BW X NAR F3 5 IND TO 10 OZ RED OBLATE RL Higher number of fruit, but smaller. More oblate than round. Heavy meaty core, locules smaller and around the outside of the fruit. Lightly acidic, good tomatoey flavour
BW X NAR F3 7 IND 12 OZ RED OBLATE RL One of two that had any catfacing. "Wagonwheel" or "Pinwheel" locules. Moderate core, very meaty. Slightly sweet, acidic, good balance. Lighter tomato flavour.
BW X NAR F3 10 IND 12 OZ PINK OBLATE PL Solid meaty core, the meatiest of the bunch, and the best tasting. Lightly acidic, sweet flesh, good full bodied tomato flavour. If this is what Brandywine is supposed to taste like, I can understand its popularity.

Slike: http://picasaweb.google.com/TVgrunt/2008STABILIZATIONBWXNAR#

B.) PNN Pink novicok x

PNN08 F3 SEED PNN = Pink Novicok Not From seed saved from what was either crossed Pink Novicok or a real wild mutation/variant (from a commercial seed pack). All of these strains show a tendency to "bulletproof" fruit. No BER, no splits, no cracks, and good flavour.
PNN08 1 IND 6 OZ RED ROUND RL Smallish plant, not a heavy producer.
PNN08 2 IND 6 oz RED SLIGHTLY OBLATE RL Smallish plant, moderate production.
PNN08 3 IND TO 8 OZ RED OBLATE RL Medium sized plant, good production.
PNN08 5 IND 6 OZ RED ROUND RL Medium sized plant, good production.
PNN08 6 IND 6 -10 OZ RED ROUND RL Medium sized plant, good production.
PNN08 7 IND 8 OZ PINK BLOCKY RL Medium sized plant, good production.
PNN08 9 IND 6 OZ PINK OBLONG RL Medium sized plant, good production.
PNN08 10 IND 6 OZ PINK NIPPLED OBLONG RL Medium sized plant, good production. Multiflora. All of the blossoms set fruit, but not all matured. Probably not enough fertilizer.
PNN08 11 IND 6 OZ PINK ROUND RL Smallish plant, not a heavy producer. Close to the original Pink Novicok.
PNN08 12 IND 6 OZ RED POINTED RL Medium sized plant, not a heavy producer. Multiflora. Most blossoms set fruit, but not all matured.
PNN08 13 IND TO 10 OZ RED OBLATE RL Medium sized plant, moderate production. Some catfacing.
PNN08 14 IND 8-12 OZ RED OBLATE RL Smallish plant, not a heavy producer. More blossoms set fruit than matured. Beefsteak interior
PNN08 15 IND 8 OZ RED ROUND TO OBLATE RL Medium sized plant, good production.
PNN08 16 IND 4-6 OZ RED ROUND RL Smallish plant, not a heavy producer.
PNN08 17 IND 4-6 0Z RED NIPPLED OBLONG RL Medium sized plant, good production. Multiflora. All of the blossoms set fruit, but not all matured. Probably not enough fertilizer. Lower fruit trusses almost all matured.

slike: http://picasaweb.google.com/TVgrunt/2008STABILIZATIONPNN#

C.) SRID

SRID08 F4 SEED SRID = Small Red I Dunno A line of red cherries that refuses to stabilize for me. All of these strains show minimal cracking or splits, and all have the same good flavour. Amounts for all are limited
SRID08 1 IND CHERRY RED ROUND RL Smallish plant, good flavour.
SRID08 2 IND CHERRY RED ROUND RL Smallish plant, good flavour.
SRID08 3 IND CHERRY RED ROUND RL Good trusses. Small pointed fruit. No splits, good tomato taste, and sweet.
SRID08 4 IND CHERRY BROWN ROUND RL Good trusses. Slightly pointed fruits. Smallish plant, very good black flavour. First black expression. To be developed.
SRID08 5 IND CHERRY RED ROUND RL Smallish plant, good flavour.
SRID08 6 IND CHERRY RED ROUND RL Larger plant and fruit.. Very good production, good sweet tomatoey flavour. Another one to develop. No splits, good trusses.
SRID08 7 IND CHERRY RED ROUND RL Good trusses. Smaller plant and fruits. No splits, good unique tomato taste.

slike: http://picasaweb.google.com/TVgrunt/2008STABILIZATIONSRID_SYID#

Č.) SYID

SYID F4 SEED SYID = Small Yellow I Dunno A line of yellow cherries that split off from the SRID the second year, and refuses to stabilize. All of these strains show minimal cracking or splits, and all have the same good flavour.
SYID 1 IND CHERRY RED ROUND RL Smaller plant, pointed fruits. Sweet tomatoey taste. No Splits..
SYID 2 IND CHERRY RED ROUND RL Smallish plant, good flavour. Some splits.
SYID08 3 IND CHERRY ORANGE ROUND TO OBLATE RL Medium plant, good production. Some larger oblate fruit. Good trusses, thick skin. No splits. Good flavour
SYID08 4 IND CHERRY ORANGE ROUND RL Medium plant, good production. Good trusses. No splits. Good flavour.
SYID08 5 IND CHERRY RED OBLONG TO OBLATE RL Larger fruit. Good lighter flavour. Thick skin, stays firm.
SYID08 6 IND CHERRY ORANGE ROUND RL Larger plant, good production. No splits, good trusses. Good flavour. This is the conformation we are looking for.

slike: http://picasaweb.google.com/TVgrunt/2008STABILIZATIONSRID_SYID#

D.) SRIDN

SRIDN08 F3 SEED SRIDN = Small Red I Dunno Red Not This strain comes from a throwback that showed up in the SRID line of cherries that I have been trying to stabilize for 5 years. All of these strains show a tendency to "bulletproof" fruit. No BER, no splits, no cracks, and good flavour. All are "almost" potato leaf.
SRIDN08 2 IND 6-8 OZ RED FAT OBLATE RL Medium plant, good production. Immature fruit pointed.
SRIDN08 3 IND 6-10 OZ RED FAT OBLATE RL Medium to large plant, good production
SRIDN08 4 IND 6-10 OZ RED FAT OBLATE RL Medium to large plant, good production. Immature fruit pointed.
SRIDN08 6 IND 6-12 OZ RED FAT OBLATE RL Medium to large plant, good production. Immature fruit are pointed.
SRIDN08 7 IND 6-10 OZ RED FAT OBLATE RL Medium to large plant, good production. Immature fruit pointed.
SRIDN08 8 IND 6-10 OZ RED FAT OBLATE RL Medium to large plant, good production. Immature fruit are pointed.
SRIDN08 9 IND 6-10 OZ RED FAT OBLATE RL Medium to large plant, good production. Immature fruit are pointed.
SRIDN08 10 IND 6-10 OZ RED FAT OBLATE RL Medium plant, good production. Immature fruit pointed.
SRIDN08 11 IND 6-8 0Z RED FAT OBLATE RL Medium plant, good production.

SRIDN08 14 IND 6-10 OZ RED FAT OBLATE RL Medium plant, good production. Immature fruit pointed.
SRIDN08 15 IND 6 -10 OZ RED FAT OBLATE RL Medium plant, good production. Immature fruit pointed.
SRIDN08 16 IND 6-12 OZ RED FAT OBLATE RL Medium to large plant, good production. Immature fruit are pointed.

slike: http://picasaweb.google.com/TVgrunt/2008STABILIZATIONSRIDN#

E.) SX1B

SX1B08 F3 SEED SX1B = Stupice X ? #1 Best This strain was from the best one of of the plants I got from the 16 I grew out from the STUPICE X F2 seed from 2007. All of these strains show a tendency to "bulletproof" fruit. No BER, no splits, no cracks, and good flavour.
SX1B08 1 IND 8-10 OZ RED/PINK OBLATE RL Both red and pink fruit on this plant. Immature fruit almost oblong. Heavy producer. Beefsteak interior.
SX1B08 2 IND 8-10 OZ RED OBLATE RL Meaty interior
SX1B08 3 IND 8 OZ RED SLIGHTLY OBLONG RL
SX1B08 4 IND 8-10 OZ RED SLIGHTLY OBLATE RL Solid meaty core.
SX1B08 5 IND 8 OZ RED SLIGHTLY OBLATE RL Heavy producer
SX1B08 6 IND 8 OZ RED SLIGHTLY OBLATE RL
SX1B08 7 IND 8-12 OZ RED DEEP OBLATE RL Beefsteak interior
SX1B08 8 IND 8-10 OZ RED SLIGHTLY OBLATE RL Heavy producer. Nearly beefsteak interior.
SX1B08 9 IND 8 OZ RED SLIGHTLY OBLATE RL Heavy producer. Solid meaty core.
SX1B08 10 IND 8 OZ RED SLIGHTLY OBLATE RL
SX1B08 11 IND 8 OZ RED SLIGHTLY OBLATE RL Solid meaty core.
SX1B08 12 IND 8-10 OZ RED SLIGHTLY OBLATE RL Heavy producer
SX1B08 13 IND 8-12 oOZ RED BLOCKY RL
SX1B08 14 IND 8 OZ RED BLOCKY RL Heavy producer. Solid meaty core.
SX1B08 15 IND 8-12 OZ RED BLOCKY TO OBLATE RL Heavy producer
SX1B08 16 IND 8 OZ RED BLOCKY RL
SX1B08 17 IND 6-8 OZ RED OBLATE RL Light production
SX1B08 18 IND 6 OZ RED ROUND RL Heavy producer
SX1B08 19 IND 6 OZ RED ROUND RL Lighter production

slike: http://picasaweb.google.com/TVgrunt/2008STABILIZATIONSX1B_SXF2#

F.) SXF2

SXF208 F3 SEED SXF2 = Stupice X ? F2 This strain was from the one that most typified the other 15 plants of the STUPICE X F2 seed from 2007. All of these strains show a tendency to "bulletproof" fruit. No BER, no splits, no cracks, and good flavour. Unfortunately individual photos are not available for these - - - gardener oversight.
SXF208 1 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL Earlier
SXF208 3 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL
SXF208 4 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL Solid meaty interior.
SXF208 5 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL Earlier.
SXF208 6 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL Extremely productive
SXF208 7 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL
SXF208 8 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL Almost beefsteak interior.
SXF208 11 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL
SXF208 12 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL
SXF208 13 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL "Pinwheel" locules
SXF208 14 IND 6-10 OZ RED ROUND RL Very meaty interior
SXF208 15 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL Earlier, heavy producer.
SXF208 16 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL
SXF208 17 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL Earlier, heavy producer.
SXF208 18 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL
SXF208 19 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL
SXF208 20 IND 6-8 OZ RED ROUND RL Solid meaty core.

slike: http://picasaweb.google.com/TVgrunt/2008STABILIZATIONSX1B_SXF2#

G.) TAOS TRAIL

TAOS TRAIL is stable as is but I am trying to isolate a couple of traits even farther, following the #4 strain.
TAOS TRAIL 1 Det 8-12 oz Red Round RL a chasedown from a misread hybrid label (Santa F1) has its own delicious full flavour
TAOS TRAIL 3 Det 8-12 oz Red Round RL a chasedown from a misread hybrid label (Santa F1) has its own delicious full flavour
TAOS TRAIL 4 Det 8-12 oz Red Round RL a chasedown from a misread hybrid label (Santa F1) has its own delicious full flavour

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orhy · Objavljeno: 16 Mar 2010 21:46 Naslov sporočila:

zlatka,

meni moraš povedati malo bolj po "kmečko". Kaj pomeni nestabilizirani ? Embarassed

Hvala

labia · Objavljeno: 17 Mar 2010 07:32 Naslov sporočila:

pomeni, da so potomci (plodovi paradižnika) lahko različni med seboj. Torej po velikosti, obliki, barvi,lastnostih.

Ko križamo različni sorti paradižnika med seboj ( oprašimo cvet enega z cvetom drugega) so nekateri "otroci" podobni mami, nekateri očetu in nekateri nekaj vmes. Pač dobimo veliko različnih plodov ( in tudi rastlin).

Po prvem križanju izberemo najboljšega potomca in v naslednji generaciji (ko tako seme zopet posadimo in nič več ne križamo)) zopet otroci ni rečeno da so enaki staršu.Znova izberemo najboljši plod in tako približno osemkrat (osem let. torej od F1 do F Cool

. Po tem času (letih) pa so potomci enaki staršu in so stabilizirani. V bučarkini ponudbi pa so semena iz drugega do četrtega leta (F2 do F4). Pomeni, da so F4 bolj stabilni od F2.

lp labia

muha · Pridružen/-a: 29.11. 2007, 15:47 Prispevkov: 10107

Labia: a misliš na TOLE?

Namig za iskanje lastnih prispevkov: najlaže je klikniti desno zgoraj na "poglej lastne prispevke".

labia · Objavljeno: 17 Mar 2010 07:54 Naslov sporočila:

ne, ne mislim to. V tisti temi sem pisal o kiržanju in sem tudi prilepil slike opraševanja cvetov. Hecno je, da tudi v "lastnih prispevkih" tega vraga ne najdem. Slike pa so bile tele (objavljeno pa po 10 septembru 2009- ne vem sicer točnega datuma):

lp labia

muha · Pridružen/-a: 29.11. 2007, 15:47 Prispevkov: 10107

Labia našla sem prispevek Very Happy

. Zaradi strokovnosti vsa čast

ga je katrinca vključila v tisti informativni sklop, o katerem je pisala ravno te dni in bo, potem ko bo urejen, dostopen le prijavljenim članom.

katrinca · Objavljeno: 17 Mar 2010 14:40 Naslov sporočila:

Se oproščam, skrila sem ga pomotoma. Neregistriranim nedostopni bodo samo moji povzetki. Kar bo pa kdo napisal javno, bo tako tudi ostalo. Če želite da je nedostopno pa pišite v podforum prispevki za člane ali pa mi pošljite zs.
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labia · Objavljeno: 17 Mar 2010 17:44 Naslov sporočila:

OK, super da se ni zgubilo. Kolikor se spomnim je bilo nekaj linkov notri, ki jih sam sedaj ne najdem pa bi mi bilo žal še enkrat rabiti čas z googlanjem. Sem bil že na tem, da si bom moral delati kopije prispevkov, kar sicer ne bi bilo slabo. Kakorkoli, hvala za trud in tako hitro informacijo o navidez izgubljenem. Sam sem brskal kar nekaj časa po forumu in mi ni bilo nič jasno, kje bi zadeva bila. Heheh

PS. sedaj se pa lahko te zadnje prispevke o iskanju izgubljenega izbriše, da ne bomo smetili malih oglasov

Shocked

lp labia

katrinca · Objavljeno: 17 Mar 2010 18:11 Naslov sporočila:

Bi bilo dobro tako dobrega prispevka o križanju ja Wink

Sicer pa razmišljam v smeri nekih varnih kopij ker na internetu se lahko vse zgodi....
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